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Tourism versus kids

Debunking, once and for all, the ‘for the children’ argument


Tourism versus kids


“… true, [the La Jolla seal rookery] attracts the tourists, but it’s tourists versus children here.”

—Tony Perry, L.A Times’ San Diego bureau chief, on KPBS’ Editors Roundtable


And here we have yet another example of ye olde “For the Children” fallacy.

If you’ve read this column before, you probably know there are few things in this universe I loathe more than when somebody argues from the “For the Children” (FTC) position. And though it seems—given that the Children’s Pool was donated to kids—that this debate might be one of the rare instances when it’s reasonable to make the FTC argument, it most certainly is not.

For one thing, what does, “for the children” even mean? Can there ever be consensus on what’s best for kids? Unless you’re arguing to legalize the farming of infants to sell their body parts as soup ingredients (baby-marrow bisque, anyone?) the truth is, anybody can use the FTC argument to support their position and, therefore, nobody should.
I have nothing against kids (especially in my soup); it’s just that, if everything was designed to benefit the young, wouldn’t that actually be bad for the young? For one reason, children eventually grow up. Then what? They’ll have nothing to do but watch the new batch of kids having a blast at their expense. Furthermore, isn’t it good for children to be surrounded by healthy, happy adults?

The point is, what is best for the children is almost always debatable.

Take the La Jolla harbor-seal controversy. An argument could easily be made that the pro-seal side is actually more for-the-children than the pro-children side is for the children. One could easily argue that kids benefit in myriad ways from being able to observe—up close and personal—a large group of wild animals, un-caged and behaving as they normally behave, unconcerned that humans are nearby. This is a rare opportunity for a child, especially at a time when, all across the planet, humans are destroying entire habitats with a couple of swipes from our massive, mechanical hands.

Right now, there are exactly 807* locations for children to swim in the San Diego area and only one harbor-seal rookery. If we evict the seals, then the children will have 808 places to swim and zero harbor-seal rookeries.
It seems to me that a child with options is better off than a child without options. Besides, are our kids so spoiled that 807 places to swim are not enough? Wanna know what else might be good “for the children”? How about not spoiling them? How about for once telling them, “No, dears, you can swim at any other beach besides this one.”

What is it about this beach, anyway? We live in San Diego, fer crissake! As in, hello, California! We have 70 miles of coastline. See that enormous, green wet thing over there? That’s called the Pacific Ocean. It’s an ocean! It’s not as though your family spent 10-grand on a new swimming pool and the raccoons took over the shallow end. It’s an ocean!
Tony Perry said, “It’s tourism versus the children,” implying, I think, that children are more important than tourists. He may have been playing devil’s advocate, but either way, it’s nonsense because tourism and children are not mutually exclusive. Tourism, as it turns out, is good for children—especially in this economy. Tourism means more monies for more daddies and more mommies, which means, for most kids, maybe an extra gift on Christmas morning; for others, it means shoes on feet, roofs over heads, foods on plates—all of which, experts say, are extremely beneficial to the well-being of the youth.

“For the children” is for the birds. It’s an emotional buzz-phrase that pushes people’s buttons. And the pathetic truth is, by focusing on that angle, the FTC people have neglected the soundest argument for ousting the pinnipeds, an argument that would give any free-thinking environmentalist a reason to reconsider.

It’s the argument that states that the unnatural concentration of seals at Children’s Pool is harmful to the ecosystem and a burden on other species in the area, specifically:

1. Smaller fish, which are now being predated upon by the seals at a much higher, man-manipulated rate.

2. Seal predators, namely white sharks, can’t feed on the seals as easily because they have been unnaturally protected by the breakwater wall. And while seals are far more cuddly than sharks, it’s sharks—which are being massacred for their fins—that need a stimulus-package bailout, not seals.

3. Small organisms, which live in and around the Children’s Pool, are being destroyed by a high concentration of seal waste, the loss of which could be catastrophic to the health of the ecosystem.

And if none of this was convincing to the more stubborn seal-huggers of your group, you could also argue (if you would just get over that urge to jump up and down and repeatedly shout, “But the children, the children!”) is that, history has shown, when man interferes with and / or favors one animal species over others, it usually ends with an ecological meltdown, and the most devastated victims of the meltdown are almost always the animals we were trying to protect in the first place.

What I’m trying to say is, fuck the children! We’ve got some serious and complicated shit (pun intended) to consider here. For once, could we please make it about the science, the facts and the solutions instead of emotions and buzzwords? That’s what’s best for the children, in the end, after all.

* Actually, I have no idea how many places to swim there are in San Diego, but I’m guessing a bunch.

Write to ed@sdcitybeat.com and editor@sdcitybeat.com. Come to the beer summit at www.edwindecker.com.

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Please join the La Jolla Seal's Facebook Page to support protection of the baby seal rookery that has found a home in an old swimming pool pit that has been filling up with sand since before the bathing pool was opened to the public in 1931.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=20...

In order to make $1,000,000 taxpayer dollars, Kennerson created strife and many non-issue including that sand on the beach and seals were illegal. The City of San Diego is not liable for feces from the leopard sharks in La Jolla Shores and Cove, the seals at Children's Pool, or black cormorant birds above the La Jolla Caves. Animal droppings in animal habitats are normal. It is normal for wild animals to smell. If the City of San Diego wanted to stop smells associated with wild animals, they should start with the beautiful, but smelly cormorants above the white guano-stained coastal bluffs above the sea caves in La Jolla Cove.

http://gocalifornia.about.com/library/gr...

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/origi...

Assembly Bill AB-411 approved in 1997 allows a distinction between man-made pollution, and natural pollution (such as animal habitats all over the world). The taxpayer’s are not responsible for natural pollution.

The 200 member seal colony in La Jolla have been around since at least January 30, 1927. The only difference is now they sleep on the beach sand instead of the rocks, to the delight of most.

http://www.lajollalight.com/opinion/2556...

There are no scientific study to show the sustainable 200 member La Jolla seal colony are reponsible for the decrease in fish off La Jolla. The science instead points to commercial fishing.

Please see the You Tube video below by Andrea Hahn of the La Jolla seals with fish hooks in their mouth and fishing line cutting the baby seals blubber as they grow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-3v4KNAm...

posted by La Playa Heritage on 8/04/09 @ 08:39 p.m.

The Children's Pool harbor seal colony is an artificial seal colony created by the implanted nucleus of more than 100 released Pacific harbor seals in the La Jolla area from the Sea World marine mammal rescue program. This was testified to under oath in court and confirmed by pinniped researchers. There was no Environmental Impact Report (EIR) done before the harbor seals were relocated to the La Jolla area and no EIR was done before the harbor seals were allowed to use the Children's Pool beach. The following damage to the local marine environment result of the artificial harbor seal colony at the Children's Pool has been documented:
A. The artificial harbor seal colony has overfed on the fish and invertebrate species in the ocean around the Children's Pool. Fish and invertebrate species in the area have been severely depleted because of the harbor seals.
B. The local white shark population has increased thanks to the artificial harbor seal colony at the Children's Pool. Harbor seals at the Children's Pool have been found with white shark bites and white shark sightings have increased in the La Jolla area.
A private citizens group is organized to get rid of the seals at the Children's Pool. We have a large group of participants and anyone can participate in getting rid of the seals. For example:
1. Walk you dogs on the beach from 6 PM and 9 AM to flush the seals into the ocean.
2. Play sports on the beach and use air horns to scare the seals into the ocean.
3. Fish on the beach and the breakwater and when the seals disturb your fishing, use air horns to scare them into the ocean.
4. Swim in the ocean in front of the Children's Pool using air horns and flotation devices with bright colors to scare the seals into the ocean. Anything between the seals and the open ocean scares them into the ocean.
5. Use underwater noise makers to scare the seals from the ocean around the Children's Pool. You can bang a pipe with one end in the water with another piece of metal. The sound carries underwater and scares the seals from the area.
6. Ultrasonic audio devices which seals can hear but people cannot will scare the seals. These can be used on the beach or underwater. Some can be left underwater for long periods of time.
7. Some people discard old fishing line in the ocean outside the Children's Pool so the seals will become entangled and die as a result.

posted by goodbyeseals on 8/05/09 @ 08:59 a.m.

Oooh...who knew about all those neat options for eliminating seals from the Children's Pool? I can only imagine how a wonderful day at the coast could be made even *more* wonderful by adding air horns and pipe banging and under water noise makers! I wonder if an ultrasonic audio device will fit in my beach bag...And will it hold up if my sunscreen bottle springs a leak? Hmmmm. Well. It doesn't matter because fishing line is so much less cumbersome to transport. It's why I especially like the #7 option. To think: We could return the Children's Pool to it's natural God-intended ecosystem simply by dumping old fishing line right into the water! Genius, I say! Genius!

posted by aaryn b. on 8/05/09 @ 09:36 a.m.

goodbyeseals = jerk

posted by Randall Collins on 8/06/09 @ 08:42 a.m.

It almost seems as if Goodbyeseals is MAD at the seals, and he wants to get them back for, well, you know, for being seals and shiite.

posted by edwind decker on 8/06/09 @ 10:20 a.m.

This guys says we should eschew emotion in the seal discussion the goes off with a "F the children"

Same ol' crap - Same ol' BS

posted by CrewLJ on 8/07/09 @ 09:48 a.m.

Yo Crew, there's this literary device writers sometimes use, It's called humor, as in "having a sense of humor," you should try it.

posted by edwind decker on 8/10/09 @ 11:58 p.m.

Besides the seals, we need to get rid of the Seal Supporters or SS Storm Troopers who guard the seals and harass the public who use the Children's Pool beach.

posted by goodbyeseals on 8/20/09 @ 08:39 a.m.

The seal coddlers need to wake up and smell the seal s**t. Some of the creatures we share this planet with ( cockroaches, gophers, rats, etc.) we exterminate because we don't want to coexist with them.Perhaps I'm the minority but I feel these seals belong in this category.A pest is a pest I just dion't discriminate by size.
These seals live in close proximity to an ocean preserve full of beautiful fish and other sea creatures that the seals will eventually deplete leaving nothing but more seals. If a pack of hungry wolves took up residence next to a cattle ranch , would we build them a doghouse and marvel at how cute they are ? No, we would kill them , as we should the seals. They're not cute , they're not cuddly they're vermin . I would think we'd have giant mousetraps or something for a problem like this , but no. Instead we waste court time and taxpayer money ensuring these creatures have a base from which they can attack the other inhabitants of the sea.Not all species can be allowed to procreate as prolifically as they wish ( a privelage that seems to be reserved for us humans , if anyones gonna f**k up this planet it should be us damnit!)
Seals are the pigeons of the sea , saltwater gophers , fish devouring crap machines that need to be eradicated so our lives can be a little more enjoyable. I used to like to swim in and around the childrens pool and hope to again someday when the rest of you come around to my way of thinking,which I'm quite sure is gonna happen soon.

posted by BruceL on 8/24/09 @ 04:22 p.m.

If you have seen the latest group of pro-seal YouTube videos, you will know that the pro-seal people are a bunch of knuckle-dragging primate morons. There is even disturbing videos focusing on young children on the beach. One video questions the right of two young girls to look at tide pools on this public beach because they are in the vicinity of seals on the beach. Another video shows concerned parents asking these idiot seal activists not to take video of their children. It brings one to wonder if some of this seal activist video ends up as child pornography implying these mentally disturbed social rejects at the Children's Pool guarding seals may be dangerous to society.

posted by goodbyeseals on 8/31/09 @ 09:48 a.m.

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